How Do We Verify What is True and Real? – The Universalis Project #18
How Do We Verify What is True and Real? – The Universalis Project #18

Aviv Shahar with Karen Heney and Kyriaki Nikandrou

June 5, 2025
If you search the internet, you're instantly confronted with a vast reservoir of knowledge — academic, scientific, artificial (AI-generated), and even channeled sources. Amid this teeming sea of information, how do you verify what is real and what is true?


Aviv, Karen and Kyriaki delve into this verification problem by tracing the evolution of knowledge and how it has shaped our modern landscape. They examine seven forms of knowing as a prelude to an integrated search for truth enabled by the natural verification systems of life. This leads to an intriguing proposition, that despite the shadow of the scientific method being the denial of the subjective or inner realms, it represents the search for an objective third-person perspective. This shift could herald a transformative leap into fourth- and fifth-person perspectives; the holding of multiple perspectives while integrating polarities, conflicting feelings and experiences. Such a multi-perspectival capacity may well be the catalyst for the Universalis Human to come online in an entirely new way.

Key insights:

  • The search for truth and the verification problem inside of the excess of knowledge today
  • The rigor of the scientific method and the shadow element of the great separation it brought
  • The seven kinds of knowing; empirical, rational, theoretical, experiential, intuitive, procedural, and relational
  • The integrated search for truth and knowledge enabled by the natural verification system of life
  • The significance of the third person perspective and objective knowledge in scientific inquiry
  • The seeding of the third person perspective as a herald to fourth- and fifth-person perspectival capacities as the new Universalis human comes online

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What we are proposing is that a third-person perspective is where we transcend polarity and where we open the way for objective knowledge. That gives rise to multi-perspectival capacity that even leads to fourth- and fifth-person awareness, which activates and brings the Universal human online.
Aviv Shahar

Karen Heney

Karen Heney

From an early age there has been a compelling search for truths, those realities that didn’t have a fixing or a closed door. The quest for meaning, sometimes quiet, other times reaching and finding pathways, has always accompanied me. The awareness that all life is caused to exist for an inherent purpose, one that allows for the possibility of furtherance and refinement, has prompted both perceptions and questions. These concern the purpose of human life, its integration within greater domains and what I personally may need to discover in order to play my part. Creativity has always been integral, with an endeavour to create visual interpretations of concepts as practical activities. The intention behind a current project is to broaden the paths of relevance and meaning for others to access and explore.

Kyriaki Nikandrou

Kyriaki Nikandrou

When I was a child, staring at the starry night skies, I was filled with awe and wonder, about the mysteries of the Universe, Life, Time, the Human and its place in the Cosmos, trying to connect the dots that link everything with everything… Some years down the line, I still do. I am seeking to be in conversation with others in search for keys, for tools of understanding and application and for the real questions, the ones that become portals to contemplative journeys, leading to uncharted territories that feel like home. I believe we are on a trajectory of multiple and unpredictable changes; it is up to each one of us to rise to the challenge of our times. Now, more than ever before, is the time to be true to ourselves and fulfill our potential.

Aviv Shahar

Aviv Shahar

Aviv serves as the Portals' sherpa. He curates transformational journeys and is a storyteller of the epochal evolution culminating at this time. Aviv is the Founder of Aviv Consulting, helping leaders unleash strategic innovation, and is the author of Create New Futures: How Leaders Produce Breakthroughs and Transform the World Through Conversation.


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