Aviv: So let me circle back, then, to what you started to hint to with the idea of expansion and contraction. What is the place of this idea for you? How do you place expansion and contraction? I'm very interested in expansion and contraction in the context of human experience, and especially the developmental and the transformational journey. You come into expansion and contraction through the lens of the historic, or the evolutionary, trace. Say more about that, ground me please in your understanding of these two moves.
Ronnie: I mean, it's very much the case that expansion and contraction is a very simple idea. You can see it everywhere, from close in from breathing to the way that the planet unfolds in summer and then contracts
in winter. So it's not that it's a difficult concept or anything. But often the things that are close to us, and, in a way, you see them everywhere, are often quite deep because they are everywhere. The reason why they're everywhere is because something about them is important to the way that things actually unfold.
And so expansion and contraction are happening together, just as they did at the birth of the universe. Because the universe suddenly expanded, but it also immediately contracted, and you have this material resultant. But the universe as such is still expanding, and it's still trying to contract as well. So there are these two forces at play, trying to produce something, trying to produce a third thing, in a way. And I think that's the same for an individual life, really.