Ron Lingard: Well, one says philosophy, but really I think it's, in my own work and exploration and research into this, it's been clear that it's not so much the philosophy itself but really what drives people throughout history to want to know something more. And to try and touch something a bit more special about what the human being actually is. And so I think that's been present over and above, just the idea of an intellectual search, is there something deeper, in more like a gut feeling, about needing to know what the human being is, its place in the universe, these kinds of things. And I think that's been really the driving force for my personal research is to find this connection somehow to the spiritual aspect of it.
Aviv: So when you describe the sense of the desire to know more, and the deep, emergent, need in humans to access more and to understand, and you now, just as the last thing you said, you saw that to be associated and related to the spiritual dimension of life. So what's alive in you right now, this moment, to just offer us a little bit more access to the way this inquiry evolved? Obviously, we are going to be exploring, and there are many different avenues that we can take into this inquiry. If you were to offer in this moment in time, what's alive for you, how would you open that door? How would you open that access?
So, when I say spiritual resource, what I mean by that is access to what the universe is actually trying to call out from human beings, to find its next steps, somehow, because we are at that forefront, somehow, of forging portals, forging new perception and new vision, about futures.